Legislature(2009 - 2010)BELTZ 211
04/07/2009 03:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS
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HB 10-MUNICIPAL TAXES: COSTS/EXEMPTIONS
3:38:19 PM
CHAIR OLSON announced the consideration of HB 10.
SENATOR MENARD moved to adopt the Senate committee substitute
(SCS) to CSHB 10(FIN), labeled 26-LS0063\W, as a working
document. There being no objection, Version W was before the
committee.
CHRISTINE HESS, Staff to Representative Reggie Joule, Alaska
State Legislature, said the SCS continues an exemption for a
Northwest Arctic Borough (NWAB) tax. The Red Dog mine is in the
NWAB and it is the world's largest zinc mine. The DeLong
Mountain transportation system is part of that mine. It includes
a 52-mile road and a portside loading facility. The language
exempts the road and facility from the fair value determination
for the required local share for schools. If the DeLong Mountain
terminal was included it would significantly increase the NWAB
local contribution. The borough has participated considerably in
the development of a modernized school facility program
throughout the region, and it has approved about $76 million in
bonded indebtedness - so it is already contributing. The road
and portside facility are owned by the Alaska Industrial
Development & Export Authority (AIDEA) so it is publicly owned.
The SCS extends the exemption until November 2012.
3:40:48 PM
SENATOR FRENCH said that exemption is an extension of a sunset
date in Section 6. He doesn't see any other explicit reference
to the Red Dog mine - "all that stuff is just buried in a
statute that has a sunset, and we're pushing it from November of
this year until November 2012."
MS. HESS said it is more complicated because it has been amended
many times.
SENATOR FRENCH asked what the fiscal impact will be.
MS. HESS said, "Arguably there's no fiscal impact" because the
exemption has never sunsetted.
SENATOR FRENCH asked the impact if it did.
MS. HESS said she has no idea.
3:42:17 PM
CHAIR OLSON said if there isn't a payment in lieu of taxes that
comes from the mine, "then they'd be looking to the state to
make up for those funds."
SENATOR FRENCH surmised that it would be a machts nichts.
CHAIR OLSON said there is a wash, to a certain degree.
SENATOR FRENCH asked if this was added to HB 10 recently.
MS. HESS said it is being added here. Senator Olson has a good
point. The NWAB enters into a PILT [payment in lieu of taxes]
agreement with the mine. If the tax base assessment is changed
the borough would have no way to recoup the money, because they
don't renegotiate until 2011. It is not a situation where the
borough could just ask for increased revenues from the mine,
which is the borough's main source of revenue.
SENATOR FRENCH asked why the House didn't add the exemption. It
is significant. He has supported this, "but I just want to let
the public know what's happening."
MS. HESS said the exemption was originally added to the AIDEA
bond bill, but that bill hasn't picked up steam.
3:44:36 PM
CHAIR OLSON said the sponsor was gracious enough to allow it to
be added to HB 10.
REPRESENTATIVE MAX GRUENBERG, Alaska State Legislature, said
this is old wine in a new cask. The provision was added in this
committee and there will be a concurrent resolution for a title
change. It will allow the borough to continue the current
arrangement, "and it would be just much more expensive for the
borough if this thing sunsets with no good benefit." He would
have been willing to accept this in the House. The language will
likely not burden the bill in the House, although he doesn't
know about the Senate Finance Committee. He is happy to see it
in the bill, and he hopes it will help the bill. This bill is
the same as last year's with two exceptions. The exemption on
APU [Alaska Pacific University] used to say "shall", and this
committee changed it to "may" to make it an optional exemption.
3:46:54 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said Section 1 is new. Representative
Chenault added it at the request of the Kenai Peninsula Borough.
The borough collects taxes on behalf of the City of Seward. That
has required software costs for the borough. This will allow the
borough to recoup those expenses - which is only fair. This was
offered in the Senate Finance Committee and the bill died there.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said there was a provision that was
added to the bill in this committee, last year, by Senator
Thomas to raise the $20,000 residential exemption to $40,000.
That was controversial, so it is gone. The rest is the same as
last year's bill.
3:48:31 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said Section 2 allows a widow or
widower of a disabled veteran to continue to receive their tax
exemption for their primary residence, unless they remarry.
Section 3 allows APU to get a tax exemption for the underlying
building that is used as an instructional facility for students.
The doctors who are there are adjunct professors. The lease-hold
interest is taxable. "We redrafted this provision, page 3, lines
5-12, to include the 'however' clause on line 10, because it was
just incorrectly written." It was an incorrect statutory
reference. Section 4 allows a tax exemption for fraternal
organization buildings that are often used as meeting halls in
small communities. Section 5 is the cop-in-the-neighborhood
bill. "This is the sixth year we've been looking at this and I
hope it will be the last." It encourages police to live in high-
crime areas to help control crime. It would be helpful in
Nikiski, Mountain View, and other areas. The widow/widower
exemption will take place on the next calendar year.
3:50:49 PM
SENATOR MENARD asked if a fraternal organization denotes
something like the Filipino community.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said yes, or like the Elks club.
CHAIR OLSON suggested the Freemasons or the Masonic temples.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said yes, and it must be ratified by
the voters. This has been carefully looked at. Each section of
the bill is disconnected but put together for convenience.
SENATOR FRENCH asked if APU is now paying taxes.
3:52:10 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said they were not, but the municipal
assessor recently assessed it. There is litigation, but a
legislative fix is better. It is a collegial solution rather
than an adversarial one.
SENATOR FRENCH asked for clarification that the APU had not been
paying taxes, then it got hit with taxes, "and you are their
white knight."
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he hopes so.
CHAIR OLSON asked if Representative Gruenberg is in favor of the
$40,000 exemption from the original bill.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said yes. An initiative is circulating
in Fairbanks that "goes up to $100,000." If the legislature
doesn't do something about this request for tax relief, "we're
going to see a real tough situation, because that initiative
will pass and it will throw municipalities into chaos." The
legislature should help citizens without busting municipalities.
CHAIR OLSON said the burden of taxation will shift to others.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said it will shift to the commercial
sphere. "But I'm concerned with this gun over our head; we're
going to be faced with a worse solution." It was $40,000 [in the
original bill], but a responsible, defendable step needs to be
taken. If the legislature turns its back, the voters will take
it out of its hands and cause a very, very serious situation.
3:54:35 PM
CHAIR OLSON asked what prompted the municipal assessor to assess
APU's building.
DOUGLAS NORTH, Alaska Pacific University, Anchorage, said he
believes it was when the Anchorage Baptist Temple was
complaining that its faculty members were taxed on property, and
they pointed at APU as an example. APU prevailed in that case,
and APU was not taxed on the residences of the faculty; however,
APU has been taxed since then on "this other building." Unless
there was a specific exemption granted by the legislature, the
municipality would not be able to allow that property to be
taxed as a private lease-hold arrangement. The Anchorage
assembly is in favor of this legislation that allows APU to be
taxed the same way the University of Alaska is taxed - to have
that tax calculated on the basis of private lease hold.
3:57:15 PM
SENATOR MENARD asked how many acres APU has.
MR. NORTH said there are 178 acres, which includes recreation
and academic lands. APU was originally a land grant university
and used those lands to generate income. It is one of those,
which is a private interest, that is now being taxed at the full
value of the building instead of a lease-hold interest rate.
CHAIR OLSON asked how many acres are taxable.
MR. NORTH said, "The only one that's being taxed is
approximately 4 acres."
SENATOR MENARD said that is more land than she realized.
MR. NORTH said it used to be more. Over the years the university
had to let some acreage go to maintain operations.
3:58:55 PM
STEVE VAN SANT, State Assessor, Department of Commerce,
Community, & Economic Development, Anchorage, said, "We haven't
taken a position on the bill; the new amendment kind of
surprises us here." He expected it on the AIDEA bill, but he
believes "the department has taken a no position on that
amendment too; it's just kind of surprising that is came up on
this bill, is all."
CHAIR OLSON asked the bill's overall impact to state revenues.
MR. VAN SANT said the exemptions don't have an impact on state
coffers since the $40,000 residential exemption was removed. The
only one that relates to what the state takes in is the Red Dog
mine amendment, which affects state education funds by about
$400,000. The area is valued at $200 million.
4:01:34 PM
SHARON WEDDLETON, Chief Fiscal Officer, Municipality of
Anchorage, asked for assurance that the APU language still reads
"may by ordinance" rather than "shall by ordinance".
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said yes.
MS. WEDDLETON said, in that case, Anchorage has no position.
4:04:30 PM
TROY TANKERSLEY, Controller, City of Wasilla, said the city has
concerns with Section 1. Wasilla collects its own sales tax, and
the Mat-Su borough has an initiative for a sales tax. The
concern is with "a borough charging the cities an administrative
fee ... where rates, et cetera, are not deemed within this bill,
so basically it gives the ability to charge pretty much whatever
they'd like, and that kind of goes into the property tax as
well." The Kenai Peninsula Borough undertook a very extensive
software enhancement program in 2005 and Mr. Tankersley was the
accounting supervisor at that time. Seward did not make the
change until recently, so Seward did not impact the Kenai
borough in upgrading its software. The borough may have incurred
more costs but not because of new capital. For Wasilla and other
cities in its borough, he is against Section 1 in HB 10.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he stands corrected. He didn't
know about the timing. The intent is that the borough may charge
the city for costs that are actually incurred from collecting
the tax. It is not to profit the borough but to recoup actual
out-of-pocket costs. Presumably there would be an agreement or
contract between the two entities.
4:08:30 PM
MR. TANKERSLEY said Section 1 does not say that. It says that a
borough may charge a fee for costs of collecting a tax. That can
be any kind of cost -- administrative, personnel, postage -- as
it relates to the collection of sales tax in general.
SENATOR MENARD moved to report the Senate CS to CSHB 10(FIN),
labeled 26-LS0063\W, from committee with individual
recommendations and attached fiscal note(s). There being no
objection, SCS CSHB 10(CRA) moved out of committee.
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